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ADVISING INFORMATION
ADVISING INFORMATION FOR SPRING 2010
Advising for Spring Semester 2010 registration begins October 26th, 2009. Advisers will have
student files in their office beginning Monday, October 26th. Online registration begins on
November 2nd according to the Registration Time Table which can be accessed online unde
r Myinfo on the MSU homepage. Go to Myinfo then click Spring 2010 Registration Advising/
Information. The Registration Handbook is a great resource for many web links providing
information needed for registration.
Reminder: Course numbers and subject abbreviations have changed for some courses.
The Following Subjects' Abbreviations Have Changed:
• Accounting – Some BUS and all ACCT courses are now ACTG
• Chemistry – CHEM is now CHMY
• Computer Science - Only CS 150 is now CAPP 120 (Computer Applications)
• Earth Science – ESCI is now ERTH (Earth Systems)
• Economics – ECON is now ECNS
• English – Most ENGL courses are now WRIT (Writing) or LIT (Literature)
• Geography – Most GEOG is now GPHY, a few are ERTH (Earth Systems)
• Geology – Most GEOL is now GEO, a few are ERTH (Earth Systems)
• History - HIST is now HSTA (American History) or HSTR (World History)
• Modern Languages –
?? MLA is now ARAB – Arabic
?? MLF is now FRCH – French
?? MLG in now GRMN – German
?? MLJ is now JPNS – Japanese
?? MLS is now SPNS - Spanish
• Mathematics - MATH is now M
• Political Science - POLS is now PSCI
• Psychology - PSY is now PSYX
• Sociology - SOC is now SOCI
Find more information and help, including the Course Number Equivalency Tool, at
www.montana.edu/newnumbers
NEW UPDATED 2008-10 CATALOG FLOW CHARTS AND CHECK SHEETS
(SHOWING NEW COMMON COURE NUMBERING) FOR EACH CURRICULUM
WILL BE AVAILABLE IN THE BLACK RACK OUTSIDE THE CE OFFICE,
205 COBLEIGH!THEY WILL ALSO BE AVAILBLE ONLINE ON THE CIVIL
ENGINEERING WEBSITE: http://www.coe.montana.edu/ce/
The course schedules (days & times of courses) can be found online at the following website:
www.montana.edu/ Then select Myinfo and arrow down to select Schedule of Classes. Be
sure to select the correct term (Spring 2010).
Students will need to see their adviser to pick up their PDF which contains the alternate pin
number needed to register for classes for Spring Semester 2010. Adviser/advisee lists are
posted on the bulletin board located outside the CE Office, 205 Cobleigh, on bright gold
colored paper. A list of advisers’ room numbers is also posted.
ATTENTION ADVISERS & STUDENTS:
CE 308, Construction Practice – Scheduling Issue
CE 308, Construction Practice, has a two-hour lab which meets from 10:00-11:50 on Fridays
Spring Semester 2010.
The lab is taught with CE majors attending one hour of the lab and the CET majors attending
the 2nd hour of the lab.
Professor Knoll has agreed to have the CE majors attend the first hour (10-10:50) of the
CE 308 lab and the CET majors attend the 2nd hour (11-11:50) of the CE 308 lab.
If you want to take a course that meets the hour you are not attending the lab, there are special
steps you will need to take to get registered for both courses because the online system will
indicate a conflict if you try to register for both courses online.
Register online for the course that has the CE 308 conflict.
After you have registered for your courses online, you will then need to process a
Drop/Add sheet to add CE 308.
I can sign as the instructor and as the adviser. My office is 205 Cobleigh Hall.
After I have signed the Drop/Add sheet, you will then need to turn the Drop/Add
sheet in to the Registrar’s Office in Montana Hall so that they will register you for
CE 308 and override the conflict.
REMINDER: NEW UPDATED 2008-10 CATALOG FLOW CHARTS AND CHECK
SHEETS (SHOWING NEW COMMON COURE NUMBERING) FOR EACH
CURRICULUM ARE AVAILABLE IN THE BLACK RACK OUTSIDE THE CE OFFICE,
205 COBLEIGH! THEY ARE ALSO BE AVAILBLE ONLINE ON THE CIVIL
ENGINEERING WEBSITE: http://www.coe.montana.edu/ce/ .
Check sheets and flow charts for each curriculum have been updated showing the new Subject
Abbreviations and course numbers with the old course numbers in parentheses.
Students can elect to graduate under any catalog that is in effect while they are in school unless
they have been absent for three consecutive semesters (including summer). When a student is
absent for three consecutive semesters, the student is required to adopt the catalog that is in
effect when the student returns as the earliest catalog they can use for graduation. If a student
elects to graduate under the 2008-10 catalog, the student must meet all the requirements of
that catalog. A student cannot pick and choose some rules from one catalog and other rules
from another catalog. I will outline the major changes in the 2008-10 catalog below.
You can access the 2010 Spring Courses by Core 2.0 Categories showing the old course
number and the new common course number at the website listed below:
http://www.montana.edu/wwwus/documents/CORE2.0Fall2009CoreCourses.pdf
MATH ISSUE: Students are not allowed to go to the next Math course if a grade of
“C-“ or better is not receive in the prerequisite Math course. (e.g.: students needs a grade
of “C-“ or better in the pre-calculus course better taking the first calculus course.) This
would hold true for any pre-requisite course not just Math.
PROFESSIONAL BLOCK COURSES ISSUE:
If students have not successfully completed ALL the pre-professional block courses
(particularly watch for EM 251 (CE’s & CE/BREN’s) and EM 215 (CET’s) with a grade
of “C-“ or better, do not allow students to take any professional block courses (courses with
and * on the flow chart and they are shaded on the check sheet).
Internships: Remember! Students cannot complete an internship (CE 476 or CET 476) for
credit the last semester they are in school. Students are required to return to the classroom
at least one semester following the internship. Beginning Summer 2008 CET Freshmen and
Sophomores will be eligible to take a one-credit hour internship. CET Juniors and Seniors
are only eligible for a two-credit hour internship. CET majors are allowed two internships at
a total of 4 credit hours maximum toward their degree under professional electives.
CE majors are eligible for a 2-credit hour internship and must have completed 64 semester
credit hours or more prior to the internship experience. CE majors are limited to one
internship toward their degree which would apply the 2 credits toward the required 12 credits
of professional electives. Internship applications are available in the black rack outside
of the CE Office (205 Cobleigh). To obtain an internship for credit students must complete
an internship application. If a student finds a job on their own that may qualify as an internship
position, they should contact Penny Knoll (994-6139) to determine if it is appropriate.
PAPERWORK FOR STUDENT-SECURED INTERNSHIPS MUST BE
COMPLETED BY APRIL 1st.
Available core courses: A quick source of available 2.0 core courses for a given semester
can be accessed via myinfo on the MSU homepage. Click on myinfo, then go to Core
Courses, choose the semester you want and then you have the option of looking at a
particular list of core courses such as the fine arts courses available for that particular
semester or the social science courses available that particular semester, etc. Remember
the only CS (Contemporary Science) course that can be used by CE, CE/BREN or CET
majors is Ander’s CE 220 course WHICH IS OFFERED ONLY IN THE SUMMER
ONLINE. This course can be used as the 5th core course for those students under the
2006-08 or earlier catalog.
Different advisers have different ways of coordinating meeting times with students. Either stop
by your adviser’s office to see if an appointment schedule is posted or email your adviser to
find out the best way to set up an appointment for advising. Email addresses for advisers
can be located at the following website:
http://www.montana.edu/msuinfo/dx/bzn/fs/
Online registration begins on Monday, November 2nd . The Registration Handbook is
available in Montana Hall outside of the Registrar’s Office or it can be accessed via the
web under Myinfo.
ADVISERS AND STUDENTS:
STUDENTS EXPECTING TO GRADUATE FALL 2010 should be completing the
graduation application with advisers during this registration session. TWO COPIES OF
THE COMPLETED GRADUATION APPLICATIONS (front and back completed
and signed by the adviser) ALONG WITH THE CURRICULUM CHECK SHEET
SIGNED BY THE ADVISER are due to Renee by 5:00 PM, FRIDAY, November 20th!!
Blank forms are located in the black rack outside of the CE Office, 205 Cobleigh.
ATTENTION SENIORS!
DETAILS REGARDING GETTING SIGNED UP TO TAKE THE SPRING 2010
FUNDAMENTALS OF ENGINEERING (FE) EXAM WILL FOLLOW IN A WEEK
OR TWO IN A SEPARATE E-MAIL.
CE AND CE/BREN ADVISERS & SENIORS
Some professional elective courses may conflict with CE 457 or CE 458 (Senior Design
Capstone Courses) the last two hours of the 3-hour course. If this occurs, students may
be able to schedule the course with the conflict. Anders Larsson has indicated if the conflict
is with one of the last two hours of the course (NOT the FIRST HOUR), he could work
around the conflict. Students wanting to register with this conflict should first notify Anders
Larsson via email (andersl@ce.montana.edu) to make sure he is OK with the conflict, then
register for all the courses except the senior design course. Then, the student should go to
the Registrar’s Office and indicate that they have worked out the conflict with the instructor
and ask the Registrar’s Office to over ride the conflict and register the student for the senior
design course.
2008-10 CATALOG CHANGES – (A reminder from 2008-09 advising info)
New Engineering Course
ENGR 310, Introduction to Engineering Design
3-credit course taught by Dr. Sobeck, M&IE Faculty - Prerequisite: Junior Standing (60 cr.)
MWF 3:10-4:00 p.m. for Fall Semester 2008. The course is scheduled to be offered fall and
spring semesters.
Course Description:
Today’s employers are increasingly looking for engineering graduates who demonstrate strong
potential to perform well on multidisciplinary teams. The primary purpose of the course is to
help engineering students acquire that ability while furthering their design skills. The course will
cover important design topics such as design process, creative design, project management,
teamwork, and technical leadership while highlighting the skills needed to work in a
multidisciplinary environment. Students will complete a design project as a major component
of the course.
CE, CE/BREN or CET majors may take this course and use it either as a professional elective
course or in the place of the fifth core course if you are under the 2006-08 or earlier catalog
. The 2008-10 catalog was in effect Fall 2008 and under that catalog
ENGR 310 will be a required course for CE, CE/BREN and CET majors.
Note: Students can elect to graduate under any catalog that is in effect while they are in school
unless they have been absent for three consecutive semesters (including summer). When a
student is absent for three consecutive semesters, the student is required to adopt the catalog
that is in effect when the student returns as the earliest catalog they can use for graduation.
CHANGES:
ATTENTION CE MAJORS:
CE 350 – TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING will be offered BOTH FALL & SPRING
semesters.
CE 456 – HIGHWAY GEOMETRIC DESIGN will be offered ONLY IN THE FALL
SEMESTER OF EACH YEAR.
CE and CE/BREN Curriculum:
ENGR 310 – Introduction to Engineering Design will be required.
The 5th Core course will not be required.
An additional Natural Science course (1 course) will be required from the following list:
BIOL 102 – Molecular & Cellular Biology
GEO 101IN (ESCI 111) – Intro. to Physical Geology
GPHY 284 (GEOG 211) – Intro to GIS Science & Cartography
LRES 201 (Fall Only Course) – Soil Resource
MB 101 – Microbiology in Today’s World
One of the following courses will be required:
CHBE 213 – Material Science
EE 250 – Circuits, Devices & Meters
ME 320 – Thermodynamics I
ME 324 (Spring Only Course) – Engineering Thermodynamics
One of the following courses will be required (two will be recommended) from the following
list of Business, Public Policy, and Public Administration (BPPPA) core courses:
ECNS 101IS (ECON 101IS) – Economic Way of Thinking
MGMT 231IS – Knowledge Creation and Inquiry in Business
MGMT 245D – Cultural Dimensions of International Business
MKTG 242D – Introduction to Global Markets
PSCI 210IS (POLS 206IS) – Introduction to American Government
PSCI 214IS (POLS 214IS) – Principles of Political Science
PSCI 230D (POLS 241D) – Introduction to International Business
Three courses will be listed to choose from to satisfy university seminar (US) core:
CLS 101US – University Seminar (Note: only freshmen (<30 credits) can take CLS 101,
if a sophomore wishes to take this course they must register for CLS 201US.)
COM 110US – Public Communications
US 101US – First Year Seminar
Three course will be listed to choose from to satisfy the second writing course required in the
curriculum:
BUS 201 – Managerial Communications
ENGL 221 – College Writing II
ENGL 223 – Technical Writing
CE/BREN Curriculum:
CE/BREN (Bio-Resources Engineering Option ONLY) students have a choice of MB 301
or PHYS 212. MB 301 is highly recommended for students who are planning to pursue a
seamless Master’s degree in Environmental Engineering. MB 301 does have a prerequisite
of BIOL 102 and a co-requisite of CHEM 215 or CHEM 311. The co-requisites may be
waived with consent of instructor.
CET Curriculum:
ENGR 310 will be required
The 5th Core course will not be required.
Three courses will be listed to choose from to satisfy university seminar (US) core:
CLS 101US – University Seminar (Note: only freshmen (<30 credits) can take CLS 101,
if a sophomore (> or equal to 30 credits) wishes to take this course they must register for
CLS 201US.)
COM 110US – Public Communications
US 101US – First Year Seminar
Three courses will be listed to choose from to satisfy the second writing course required in
the curriculum:
BUS 201 – Managerial Communications
WRIT 201 (ENGL 221) – College Writing II
WRIT 221 (ENGL 223) – Intermediate Technical Writing
NEW UPDATED 2008-10 CATALOG FLOW CHARTS AND CHECK SHEETS
(SHOWING NEW COMMON COURE NUMBERING) FOR EACH CURRICULUM
WILL BE AVAILABLE IN THE BLACK RACK OUTSIDE THE CE OFFICE,
205 COBLEIGH! THEY WILL ALSO BE AVAILBLE ONLINE ON THE CIVIL
ENGINEERING WEBSITE: http://www.coe.montana.edu/ce/
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